Are these Very Old Onion Rings?

in reply to muskaan's post:

@muskaan, the roses in #4 look a lot like the Ruth Perry interlaced shamrock, and the leaves remind me of rope management techniques used by mountain climbers -- you can throw the bundle off a cliff(hanging on to the end of course) and it will fall to the bottom without tangling.

in reply to kjminniti's post:

if we pop a photo of the worked shamrock onto the google doc we can annotate it with the stitch count- a quick way to update the pattern notation.

I love the idea of test tatting these and releasing the patterns with modern notation for tatters today. Continuing to provide them for free of course through our library here- linking back to TROVE. :)

FionaT, please feel free to use any of the photos I have posted if you like! :)

That's the whole reason behind the tea cloth. I fear some of these patterns are hard to get a handle on with the old notation. I have my eye on this ruffled doily next where I have already redone the notation. Better pictures and construction notes could help future tatters.

in reply to wodentoad's post:

I agree. Without dwelling on copyright, early patterns were written in one form. There is nothing to prevent you re-creating them in modern notation or even visual diagrams. There will be no infringement.

in reply to JudithConnors's post:

I agree, just like with the TROVE project (Which I hope to get beck into when my thesis is finished)- we need to reference where the original pattern was from and link to it if possible. That meets Intellectual Property and copyright :)

I wholly believe that Craftree should take the old Priscilla books and some others that are in the Public Domain and do a coffee table book or at least a collection online with clearer directions, photos and modern notation. Anything before 1917 is fair game for US copyright.

in reply to wodentoad's post:

I am in total agreement
Some of this 'conversion' has already been undertaken by the Online Tatting Class headed by Georgia Seitz eg. The Nellie Young project, etc.

This modernisation of books that come into public domain is an ongoing endeavout and can be found on her site & some on Bellaonline. .
Last year I converted all 7 edging/insertion patterns from Needleart 1921 (Vol 8 issue 3) into schema and modern notation. Along with variations/adaptations. pdfs are in my blog, but some images are in this newsletter

Whenever I get time I am trying to do the same for Endrucks' patterns (these are in German) as a personal project. So far I've only been able to share one, but with lots of variations/adaptations.

in reply to Judy's post:

Judy . Will let you know when I post :-)

in reply to JudithConnors's post:

So, by this description 'onion ring' is only a visual effect, and the construction is not really a determinant ?
Because the marigolds and the star of Halves (assuming the outer half ring is brought closer to the inner twin rings) are constructed exactly as a traditional onion ring.

Can these not be a 'modern transformation' of 'antique' ORs ? Can we not move out of flatland without assigning a whole new term to 3D especially when construction is similar ?

Your thoughts

Muskaan... I noticed that you've recently spent time back in one-dimensional land, with your "DOTS". I think its important to use a term that will immediately communicate a mental picture. I had trouble with "waffle fries" until I realized they had nothing to do with waffles. . Perhaps an adjective or hyphenated term would work. The "star of Haves" brings up your creation in my mind, but if I hadn't seen it first, it could be confusing.

in reply to Judy's post:

Had to look up 'waffle fries' & I agree with the mental image that pops up. Turns out, I used to make these at home from scratch! Didn't know this is what they're called - we just call them potato chips.

About designing - open secret. A few years back I found it very difficult to design anything flat - my shuttle or brain would clamp down. Hence most of my patterns were 3D applying any new technique I'd learned.
Mid-2017 (with the quatrefoil series) I suddenly found I could FINALLY create lace that lies flat! And I'm hooked since then, exploring more and more. I still consider most of my recent patterns quite basic if taken in the larger perspective. But for me personally it is gradual progress towards more intricate patterns.

As regards naming a pattern - I try to include some 'clue' about the technique used or the shape or application or some such.
Hence Star of Halves denotes 2 things - a 5-pointed medallion and half rings.
Charmed Cross denotes the use of a charm and the shape of a cross.
Dancing Peacocks should bring up an image of peacocks with their plumes spread open & dancing in the rain. The onion rings & 2 colours try to accomplish that, with the innermost ring unlinked to resemble either a head (for an impressionistic peacock) or the eye (of a single plume).

So, I'm going to bore my tatting friends some more with this flatland lace craze ;-P
Hugs

Muskaan, you are going to have trouble if you think that you bore your friends! No way!