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Thread created on 1339510110 by wodentoad.
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My grabby little gremlin grabbed the tablet, so I am gonna try this one more time now that I put her in her wiggle room for a minute.
Second row done. Rings are 2-2+2-2, chains are 2-2-2-2-2-2 (5 p). Leave a little extra room on the side picots so the rings can be attached into groups of three. I am using the fronts and backs as a sort of design feature so that this has no front or back, but I have not decided which I want facing up just yet.
Okay working this one up was the most complex motif I've done since the caterpillars. I started at the cloverleafs at the corners which was a mistake, and for the rest I will be starting at the group of rings ahead of the cloverleafs.
So rings are 2-2-2-2-2 (5p) except for the clovers, which are our old friend c1 (4 ds between all picots).
Starting with a ring, join the center picot to the center of a chain. Then do a chain of 5p, 2ds bet. The next ring is joined to the previous ring by the second picot, the rest are free. Another chain as before. Third ring in the group is joined to the previous ring by the second picot to the fourth picot of the previous ring, then by the third ring to the next chain of the previous row., the last two picots are free.
Next is a chain of 9ds, cloverleaf, then the next chain of 9ds and repeat the group of three ring joined to the next two chains on the previous row. The next chain is 7 p, 2 ds bet. Skip one chain of the previous row before repeating from the beginning twice more.
Hard to write, but the result is pretty cool.
Pic was taken from the back so you can see the picot joins to the previous row.
Wow, tricky! You start out with five petals, but somehow they become six groups, then three clovers. Well done! 
It was wigging me out until I realized that R2 multiplies each of the five petals by three chains, giving you 15 chains. Then you take up five chains in each repeat, dividing the 15 chains by five to equal three. I call this motif "Fun with math, Evil with instructions."
Just finished the four centers of the triangles.
I will probably work the triangles one at a time because of the fiddly nature of the connections.
really cool how you got it all worked out..... a mind bender for sure!
Okay, so working on the pattern, the cut away (fig. 59) shows one version, but after starting it twice, I realized that the third ring in the group must also be attached to the ring:
This one is loose because it does not attach to the center triangle. Close up of the triangle from fig. 58, they should have made this a cut away.
Fig. 59:
When I get to the linen insertion border, I am debating doing the connection row first. I haven't decided yet.
I'm sure you'll figure out the best way - after all, you have eight of them to work on; surely you'll have optimised the procedure by the end! 
I hope you're keeping a journal of how you've worked out all the details. Whoever inherits this masterpiece one day will surely be interested in knowing it's history and thrilled to have such a work of art. Especially if that person has had the honour of seeing it in use in your home.
Aside from here and my hand-sketched notes on the pattern (and in the book) I'm also working on a PDF version of the pattern, but I still need to snag the photos. I have long been thinking of merging this into a scrapbook, though I lack the digital acumen to make that a reality.
@wodentoad, I encourage you to pursue one of two courses. Either acquire the digital acumen required, or hire someone who has it to get your scrapbook done. I think you will quite regret not having done it. And now is the time, while you remember what you've put into your project. If I had the tech knowledge, I would volunteer my services. However, that would be a case of (very badly) muddying the waters, and you'll want your scrapbook to reflect the artistry that you have accomplished.
BTW, I'm not trying to pressure you into something. I only mean to encourage you.
Thank you, @Lynn I have been looking at some online digital scrapbooks, and there are also several videomakers or things like it. It is becoming a good place fo those of us who can't program to save our lives. Of course, I would also love to include the wonderful words of encouragement I have received over the years of the project. It is thanks to intatters/Craftree that I have come so far.
The entire cut-away is wrong... it's just... it's wrong. I may cry.
So, listed in the pattern is the piece I showed you above, tatted as written (except I attached both sides of the groups of three rings on the outer row.) I started to attach it to my triangular motif, only to notice that things were not just going a little wrong... they were going a LOT wrong. I'm not sure how Ms. Sanders got the pattern for this part, maybe she was tired after all the other tatting, maybe she ran out of coffee, but the oval motif pattern listed is NOT the oval motif in the cut away, and neither are the one in the picture of the full tablecloth. I just finished three of them and attached them as shown in the full photo. Nope.
First of all: The inner ring is NOT R2-2-2+2, C4, it is, as near as I can see by looking at the full photo, the chain has to be 4-4, which I confirmed using relative sizes of centers to the center of the triangular center motif.
Second: The chain between groups of three has to have SEVEN picots, not five. Counting bumps on the digitally enhanced, zoomed in photo of the stippled photo in the book there are seven. It is also longer than the 5-picot chains between three groups.
Third: The second point above may not matter because when I change the size, I'm wondering if I may have a cupping problem as I did with the rings from the other triangles.
Time to do some cutting and re-tatting.
Oh goodness, sorry to hear that, after all your work! I hope you can figure it out. Perhaps you could save that work for another use? I hope so!
The triangle is fine, but there's no saving work that's been cut away, and it's not my first go-around with cutting out work.
Luckily, it's looking like my re-design of the oval motifs is correct. I'm starting to think Ms. Sanders had some sort of DaVinci moment, deliberately inserting mistakes to throw off people who might be tempted to tat her masterpiece, but I won't be stopped. I've come too far.
Good for you, no, don't be stopped! I know I puzzled over the collars that I did from that book and had to sometimes do my own thing, as you are doing so magnificently.
@wodentoad, I'll sit down and cry with you, for all the good it will do you. After so much time and all this work, I know you have the expertise to see it through. Go play with your daughter for a while. That always helps.
Yes. I know you won't give up now! 
Take a break and then come back and have at it again.
I thought that tatting designers were anonymous, back in 1915. Julia Sanders is an exception, then - a pretty amazing one!
